# Anti-christ? Can it be Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [September 16, 2026, 4:04pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213 "2026-09-16T16:04:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MorganPJD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/morganpjd/32/1146_2.png) [@MorganPJD](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/MorganPJD)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 12:49pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/32 "2026-10-02T12:49:54Z")
When you point the various aspects out, they have been clearly discerned (I don’t see the Boston scandal as related, however, but because I do not go along with secular society that these scandals happened at all)…The rest sounds very reasonable. I would put it differently, because remember that Christ completed the Jews’ journey, and so while chastisement was explicitly stated as being the case throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, since then chastisement would be more understood as people turning away from God and so facing the devil and indeed death, chastisement for reasons of guidance; in other words, not that a chastisement is not the underlying result but that the punitive aspect is granted the completed narrative: So before Christ, God keeping humanity moving in a direction which would see The Word born as according to the prophets for the sole means to redemption for Humankind; then following His Resurrection because, while humanity has to still be guided, the devil is also making his play. People turn to the devil, and death / away from God…and so visit / shake hands with…the effects. We know this because we are given to know this. So, we can and should read the Bible as it is, while we can also understand the matter from this perspective, as it has been given to be understood in this way. It is not chastisement for chastisement’s sake but because God leads His people to Salvation. It’s about emphasis. _John 12:47 - ‘… For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.’_ Ultimately, your analysis regarding events in nature combined with your biblical references seems a very reasonable platform for further research and I would certainly go and look those details up. ---
**Author:** ![MorganPJD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/morganpjd/32/1146_2.png) [@MorganPJD](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/MorganPJD)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 8:35pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/35 "2026-10-02T20:35:57Z")
God’s words are not in contradiction, so stop taking them out of context. ---
**Author:** ![DavidHarper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@DavidHarper](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/DavidHarper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2026, 3:40pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/51 "2026-10-04T15:40:43Z")
Everything in Revelation is symbolic. The “whore of Babylon” was the false religion of emporer worship which the Roman empire was trying to institute among the people at the time. The Antichrist was the hated emporer Nero whom the early christians feared would rise from the grave. The “seven headed beast” was the roman empire which was founded on seven hills. Nothing in revelation has anything to do with modern reality. The author of revelation had to disguise his message in symbolism in order that it not be recognized for what it actually was by the roman authorities. Bible verses must be understood in the historical context of the time and place they were written. Another example of this is the idea that Jesus called himself the “messiah”. In Jesus’ time and Jewish culture a messiah was commonly understood to mean a military or political leader (like king David) that had come to restore the nation of Israel to her former glory as in the days of the monarchy. This was obviously not Jesus’ intention. Therefore he never would have given himself this title. ---
**Author:** ![DavidHarper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@DavidHarper](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/DavidHarper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2026, 6:44pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/54 "2026-10-04T18:44:41Z")
Trump is a coward and a liar. If you don’t know this you haven’t been paying attention for the past ten years. ---
**Author:** ![DavidHarper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@DavidHarper](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/DavidHarper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2026, 6:49pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/56 "2026-10-04T18:49:50Z")
You don’t know what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![MorganPJD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/morganpjd/32/1146_2.png) [@MorganPJD](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/MorganPJD)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2026, 8:34pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/61 "2026-10-05T20:34:39Z")
“Revelation is not symbolic.” Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![DCM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DCM](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/DCM)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2026, 9:10pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/62 "2026-10-05T21:10:19Z")
God often uses imperfect individuals (besides who among us is perfect? Certainly not me) to accomplish his purposes. Abraham Accords, rejection of communism in the southern part of the western hemisphere, massive reduction in crime in the US, solid support for Israel, and I could go on and on and on. Thank God the communist/socialist/anti-religious, etc. are not in power and pray that those godless people _never_ hold power again. No, DJT is NOT the Antichrist. ---
**Author:** ![MorganPJD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/morganpjd/32/1146_2.png) [@MorganPJD](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/MorganPJD)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2026, 8:23am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/64 "2026-10-06T08:23:19Z")
The meaning behind the events sounds all well and good, yet the happenings which make up biblical history always do have Divine understanding and this is obviously the case as God is the Author; I would say the Book of Revelation and history are in sync. The preternatural behind the human events. This makes sense because we even see God The Father on His throne. He is Willing catalytic events. And the four creatures would be types of Angel. So, it is we have four gospels. Rather than saying that the four creatures are symbolic representations of the Four Gospels, only. Meaning underpins human events, not the other way around. Furthermore…while past and present and future events could be represented in the vision, simultaneously this does not equate to the events having to take place in Heaven inclusive of the passage you have cited…at that specific time in history…(necessarily) as Heaven is ‘outside of’, not constrained to, the limits of time. The One who holds the scroll is Christ. At a point in the NT he has ascended. Though, as God’s Word, there in the Beginning. And so this vision would have to be after the Ascension. And only He can ultimately read of the Scroll and interpret The Book of Revelation to its full meaning. This is not to say that all visions and dreams in entirety cannot consist of some symbology, as symbology in holy terms is a true pictorial representation of a spiritual / preternatural reality behind practical events. While The Book of Revelation is not envisaging events with use of symbology. I would favour those visions in the Book of Revelation, rather, as happenings taking place as they really are. ---
**Author:** ![DavidHarper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@DavidHarper](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/DavidHarper)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2026, 2:13pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/65 "2026-10-06T14:13:43Z")
Everything I have stated is based on bible scholarship. One more time; you don’t know what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Susanne.Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/susanne.lee/32/1580_2.png) [@Susanne.Lee](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Susanne.Lee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2026, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/68 "2026-10-06T20:28:24Z")
You have lost the plot. I am sorry to be the one to have to tell you in Christian charity that when you claim a Saint is an anti-pope and that valid popes are not even priests you have fallen into the tiger trap satan laid in the jungle of arrogance for your soul. Repent please repent before it is too late for you. ---
**Author:** ![MorganPJD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/morganpjd/32/1146_2.png) [@MorganPJD](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/MorganPJD)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 7:29pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213/70 "2026-10-07T19:29:10Z")
I wasn’t asking for a response. Up to you that you have given one. Not complaining. As for my intentions, not a matter for you to have to contend with… I haven’t read The Book of Revelation for a very long time, apart from up to chapter four, recently, and so I couldn’t argue either way. Sure I’ll have plenty to say, yes, once I’ve read it properly again. [Previous page](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/anti-christ-can-it-be-trump/4213.md?page=1)