# Another question to add to my list of questions **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [January 4, 2026, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000 "2026-01-04T12:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/1 "2026-01-04T12:30:08Z")
So, I was at home, doing research like I usually do, because I love doing research and learning each and every day about Earthly life. And I was sitting in the kitchen, just reading The Bible, and I was reading about Lazarus’s resurrection, and I was reading what was happening after he was resurrected and all of a sudden, I got a feeling that something was off. So, I go back and reread it, and once again, there was a feeling that came over me that something was off. So, what I did was I went into my room, locked the door, sat on the floor and I meditated and reflected on that passage in The Bible. And of course, I said in a normal tone of voice “Source (or God) please enlighten me on why the passage of Lazarus’s resurrection seemed weird to my spirit.” And I sat there for about 2 maybe 3 hours, and I didn’t receive an answer. A little bit of background, so I have learned that if you’re reading something or conversing with someone and something feels off, that’s because usually something is off. Some people believe that demons are involved when you have doubts, but it has been my experience that when you have doubts that’s actually your spirit communicating with you that something isn’t right. Now, sometimes I will receive an answer immediately, while other times I’ll receive an answer at a later date. It largely depends on your vibrational state. Lemme explain. So whenever we incarnate inside these Avatars, what happens is that an energy shield is created. We call this, in the Spiritual World, your aura. Everything in our reality has an aura. The desk I’m typing on has an aura. The keyboard I’m typing on has an aura. The chair I’m sitting on has an aura. And the reason why everything has an aura is because everything was made from materials found on Earth. And because God is in everything, everything has a consciousness. And it doesn’t matter if you cut down a tree to make a table, because energy can change form. All you did was shape a tree into a table, and because the Law of Conservation states that Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Energy is eternal. Our souls are nothing but pure energy, and so is God. This also means that technically we’ve been here as long as God has been here, cause our Spirit (or consciousness) was once a part of God, and because our individual Spirit is given Free Will from God, we were still a part of God from the very get go. But, I got off track….so as a hueman we primarily have 2 different vibrational states, high vibration and low vibration. When you are in a high vibration, you’re generally calm, very content, sometimes you can experience what they call a “natural high” because I have had that happen to me before. When you are in a high vibrational state, you are in a state of contentment, and because you are in a state of contentment, you tend to be able to manifest things easier. And any question you throw out to the Universe, depending on how high you vibrate, the answer can be instantaneous. And then you can be in, what’s called, a low vibrational state. Basically any negative emotion causes us to go into this state. It’s harder to manifest anything in this state and you don’t always receive your answers immediately. This is a state that happens from time to time, but I do have a vice that I’m trying to get rid of, cause it does lower my vibration quite a bit. So, needless to say, for a while I was in a low vibration. But, I didn’t let that deter me from figuring out why that particular passage in The Bible was odd to me. It took about 4-5 days of meditation to figure it out, but I finally got my answer. It was only after Lazarus was resurrected was when something would feel really off. So, something I did, just to kind of see if there was any correlation, was I went to a different part of The Bible about another resurrection. And it was only after reading someone getting resurrected that I would get the same feeling. So it wasn’t just specific on Lazarus, but it was anyone that would get resurrected, this also included Jesus’s resurrection too. When I finally received my answer, I happened to be in a high vibe. And now I finally innerstand why I would get a bad feeling about these passages. In The Bible, whenever someone is resurrected from the dead, I noticed that there’s no record of the person who was resurrected talking about the afterlife. Yeah, it would say they were resurrected from the dead, but you never hear the person who was resurrected talking about what it is they saw, or what they experienced on the other side. And to me, that was kind of wild. Whenever someone has an NDE (or **N** ear **D** eath **E** xperience) usually they talk about what it was they experienced. Now there are some NDE’s where the soul experienced a hellish landscape, and those you don’t really hear a whole lot about, but it is something that happens. And I’m sure you can infer as to why those people don’t talk about it, cause it was probably traumatic. But then you have the good NDE’s where they meet with an angel or possibly even Jesus himself and they have a pleasant time. But…in The Bible, you get no account of anything that happened while the person was still dead. And, unless all of these souls experienced trauma on the other side, I highly doubt anyone would remain quiet about what it was they saw. Take Lazarus for example, now we don’t know exactly where Lazarus ended up, but some people have inferred that more than likely he experienced paradise while he was dead. And, while I don’t typically go by what someone infers, cause inferring something is a fancy word for “guess”, just as a what-if scenario, if Lazarus ended up in Paradise, why are we not seeing a man say “Why am I back here?! I had such a blast with St. Michael and all the saints! I want to go back!”? But he would be excited to tell everyone about what the other side looked like and what it entailed! I mean, I guess it’s possible that everyone (with the exception of Jesus) who was resurrected may have went through some traumatic things, but surely some of them went to Paradise! So now I’m going to have to reflect on this, but it just comes to show you that not even I have all the answers. This is why I research, cause I have a thirst for wanting the truth. Yeah, maybe I’m one of the biggest skeptics out there, but I don’t want to be lied to anymore. Even half-truths, while yeah….you get some truth to it, I want the full truth! I feel like I’ve been robbed of the truth, and I will not stop until all my questions are answered. And yes, I realize that probably in this lifetime, all my questions won’t be answered, but I’ve found the answers to some of life’s toughest questions. With Source (or God) anything is possible. We live in a Universe full of possibilities. There’s an answer out there somewhere! If any of you have anything you want to add, I’d be more than willing to listen. ---
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 1:38pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/3 "2026-01-04T13:38:24Z")
Thank you Stephen. Love you bro! ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/cade_one/32/34_2.png) [@Cade\_One](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Cade_One)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2026, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/4 "2026-01-05T18:55:36Z")
A few things came to mind as I read your post. 1. To a Protestant, anything related to Mary outside of the context of Christmas may fell off. Feelings can lead us astray. In most cases, I would not say that it is demonic, but rather caused by pre-conceived theology or belief about the world. 2. Three hours, sitting with one’s self sounds strange until I remembered that I sit in God’s presence (Adoration) for two-and-a-half hours each Month. But, it isn’t to gain some fort of hidden knowledge, but rather to just be present with my Lord and to Pray. 3. My Mom was really into books & television shows about Near Death Experiences, so in High School, I read many accounts of NDE’s. I always found them to be fascinating. 4. You should listen to _Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World_. He has done a few episodes on NDE’s. I think you might enjoy listening to them. ---
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 4:17am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/8 "2026-01-06T04:17:34Z")
I still have yet to read her writings, but I was referring to what The Bible says, not Maria Valtorta. And in The Bible you are not told what it is they’ve experienced. Even if they were in this holding place, you’d still expect them to say something. I know you said that Jesus made Lazarus forget about his time in Sheol (even though in The Bible there is no mention of Jesus actually doing that), but it’s very possible that he didn’t meet Simon’s Father, which would make sense to me because it doesn’t say in The Bible anywhere of Jesus telling Simon that he’s fortunate that Lazarus doesn’t remember his time among the dead. This is partially why I don’t delve into Apparitions too much, because, you run into problems like this. I’m not saying it’s not possible, cause it’s very possible that Jesus did make Lazarus forget about his time amongst the dead. But we’re comparing the visions that Maria Valtorta had to what it actually says in The Bible, which your religion believes to be the Word of God and is full of eyewitness accounts of people who were around when Jesus was around. If I had to choose which one to believe, it would have to be The Bible for the simple fact that it had eyewitness accounts in it. My other question too would be, if Jesus really said to Simon that he was fortunate that Lazarus doesn’t remember his time amongst the dead, then why would that not be in The Bible. I mean, that’s a pretty important phrase to leave out don’t you think? And so, the only reason I can think of is that Jesus didn’t actually say that, cause if he did, I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t leave something like that out, cause that’s pretty significant. I mean, it’s an interesting way of viewing that situation, but if I’m to compare what she says to what eyewitness accounts say, I’m more than likely going to side with the eyewitness accounts compared to someone who supposedly saw visions of Jesus, Mary, and others. Eyewitness accounts are going to have more validity to them than a vision. ---
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 5:10am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/10 "2026-01-06T05:10:29Z")
> [@Soul](#): > > There’s a lot of true information surrounding Jesus’s life that isn’t made known in Scripture, but that information still exists. Revelations from God aren’t confined between the pages of any one book. Oh I agree….it’s one of the reasons I’m not in that religion anymore. > [@Soul](#): > > Why do you think it’s a pretty significant detail? And, whether it is or not, are the details surrounding the, for example, birth of Jesus, God the Word incarnate, significant? If so, does the fact that a lot of true information surrounding it not being mentioned in Scripture make it false? Well, this is another reason why I don’t partake in that religion anymore. Catholicism is made up of Tradition and Scripture. Both are manmade (and yes, you can tout all you want that The Bible was inspired by God) but it was written by men. I don’t get my information from man, only from God. Now yes, I was using the Bible to get a point across, which is, according to The Bible that your religion says is the Word of God, we don’t hear anything from Jesus regarding Lazarus’s time in Sheol and how he made Lazarus forget. But going along with what you were saying, how are we to know that what this Maria Valtorta is saying is true? We have no way of measuring that. It doesn’t say this in The Bible nor does anything from Tradition say that this is true. So basically I am being asked to believe in one person’s visions that we hope are from God, Jesus, Mary, and others and that these aren’t false spirits relaying this information. I mean, no offense, but anyone can write this stuff in and claim to have received visions. This is no different than information you learn in school. Why should I believe every single thing I’m being taught? I have no idea who these people are, what grades they got in school, who they hang out with, what their background is like, and you mean to tell me I have to take everything that it is I’m learning as Gospel truth? Because I’ve found several things that contradict some of the stuff we learn in school. Maybe you can help me, is there another book somewhere that says the same things she says? Is there a way to make sure this information is actually true other than what she writes about? Maybe I’m missing something here…. > [@Soul](#): > > What constitutes someone as an eyewitness is having personally seen something happen and so they can give a [first-hand] description of it. Maria Valtorta received visions of scenes from Jesus’s life, including the same scenes that Mary, the apostles, and others witnessed as well over two-thousand years ago, and she described all that she saw and heard taking place, which made her an eyewitness. Well, I hope so! We are talking about Jesus here and certain events. So I would hope that she’s seeing the truth and not some skewed version of what went on during those times. I still have to read this Soul, I’m not done with the books I still need to read. ---
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 10:44am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/11 "2026-01-06T10:44:44Z")
Thanks Cade, I always like talking to you even when we disagree on something. ---
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 3:22am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/13 "2026-01-07T03:22:41Z")
> [@Soul](#): > > One of the reasons you left Jesus’s Church is because Scripture isn’t a complete knowledge of Him? In Scripture, Jesus’s own apostle, John, acknowledged that not everything Jesus did was written. I wouldn’t expect any one book to contain all the information surrounding Him, nor the Father and the Holy Spirit, etc., for that matter. Not the current Scripture. Catholic’s say it’s the word of God, but the more I read the current Bible, because it has been retranslated over and over again, that book is the word of man, which again I don’t follow. There’s a few things in there that are worth giving my attention to, such as the 10 Commandments, but most of the Scripture has been retranslated so much that it may as well be man’s book at this point. Unfortunately, the Church Hierarchy has decided to keep information from the public in secret, so we’ll never know what’s actually true, cause as long as they keep information from us, I will continue to remain skeptical of this religion. > [@Soul](#): > > Jesus said, “a good tree cannot produce evil fruit; an evil tree cannot produce good fruit”, which means a good tree can only produce good fruit, and an evil tree can only produce evil fruit. Good fruit can only and will always be produced by God, such as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, and self-control. Additionally, God provided a wealth of proof to show that Maria Valtorta was His true spokesperson. Everything proceeding from Satan and his servants, even if they appear to say good words, is always contaminated with error in a subtle manner. The thing of it is, I don’t trust Maria Valtorta. First of all, I know nothing about this person. For all I know, this person could be making up stuff. I don’t put my faith in people, even if they are “instruments” for God. I have no way of knowing if what she says is true. And you talk about a good tree with good fruit, and that’s how you know if something is true or not. Well, if I don’t know who it is that is having all of these visions and I don’t know their background, then that means that I’m believing in this woman blindly, which is something I don’t do. And I will do my due diligence and try to figure out who this woman is, cause there is no way I’m believing in a woman who claims to have received supernatural visions. The fact that your Church doesn’t have an impramateur on this claim is already a red flag, meaning in so many words that your religion cannot approve of this being a supernatural event. Because to say Maria Valtorta is right but your religious leaders are wrong means that there’s something terribly wrong with your religion. Either the Church is wrong or this woman is wrong, but someone in this situation has to be right, which is why I will do the research I need to on Maria Valtorta so I can get a feel for what I’m in for. Cause so far, what I’ve picked up from this woman, is that she’s adding to a story in The Bible that doesn’t say verbatim what she said, and that’s the Word of God. So are you trying to say that your Bible isn’t the Word of God? Cause again, either your religion is wrong about her or they’re right about her. I cannot draw a sound conclusion till I do research on this woman. You can go on ahead and keep copying and pasting what Jesus said, the fact of the matter is we have 2 conflicting ideas about what The Bible says compared to what this Maria Valtorta says, and only one can be right. And so far, I’m leaning on what the man-made Bible says compared to what she says at the current moment. > [@Soul](#): > > You do not hope in vain, for she was shown the truth. Good, then I should be able to draw the conclusion that your Church is wrong (which so far your Church cannot answer some of life’s toughest questions, I had to find those out myself). And that this Maria Valtorta has a clean background, and is misunderstood and is actually telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 5:17am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/14 "2026-01-07T05:17:32Z")
Also, because I’ve done more research, I have concluded that hell is Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/cade_one/32/34_2.png) [@Cade\_One](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Cade_One)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 7:26pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/15 "2026-01-07T19:26:09Z")
> [@EarthsStudent](#): > > I have concluded that hell is Earth. I would say that Earth is both a taste of Hell, but also a taste of Heaven. If we like the taste of Hell and find the taste of Heaven bitter, then chances are we will feast on Hell after we die (which sounds great to those who joke about ending up there), but Hell will lack substance (LOVE) and will leave a taste that is not only unpleasant, but unbearable. Heaven, on the other hand, will be greater than anything we have ever experienced here on Earth. Philosopher Peter Kreeft said that “Marriage is earth’s closest image for Heaven because it is all or nothing, forever - a leap of faith.” And he also compared there not being Marriage in Heaven (because Heaven will be greater than the Marriage we experience here on Earth) to a young person who has not yet experience Marital intimacy and asks if they can eat candy in Marriage, thinking that candy is the best thing they have ever tasted, not realizing that once Married, candy will no longer be that important to them. Likewise, when we get to Heaven, anything that this life has to offer will pale in comparison to the things we experience in Heaven. ---
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 12:25pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/17 "2026-01-08T12:25:50Z")
> [@A few questions I have been struggling with, please don't judge me and help me by answering them if you can](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/a-few-questions-i-have-been-struggling-with-please-dont-judge-me-and-help-me-by-answering-them-if-you-can/2981/19): > > > [@EarthsStudent](#): > > > > [..] I don’t trust Maria Valtorta. > > That contradicts the following statement that you made: > > > [@A few questions I have been struggling with, please don't judge me and help me by answering them if you can](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/a-few-questions-i-have-been-struggling-with-please-dont-judge-me-and-help-me-by-answering-them-if-you-can/2981/19): > > > > Maria Valtorta has not given me any reason to not trust her […] > > You can’t have it both ways, so let me know which statement you decide to stand by. First of all, sorry, I didn’t realize I contradicted myself. If I’m being real with you, I need to look into her more, cause right now I don’t know if I should trust her or not. > [@Soul](#): > > > [@EarthsStudent](#): > > > > I’m leaning on what the man-made Bible says […] > > That contradicts the following statement that you made: > > > [@EarthsStudent](#): > > > > […] Tradition and Scripture. Both are manmade […]. I don’t get my information from man, only from God. > > You can’t have it both ways, so let me know which statement you decide to stand by. Sorry that I contradicted myself again. So, here’s the deal, I don’t live by The Bible because of the fact that it is man-made, and has been retranslated so many times that the original idea or the original message has been watered down throughout the years. There’s very very very poorly translated things that have come from that Bible. They honestly should’ve only translated it once and stopped….because then the message would be purer. However, because we are comparing what Maria Valtorta has said compared to what it is we know about Jesus (which we get from The Bible), unfortunately that’s the only book I have of being able to compare what Maria said to what supposidely happened centuries ago. That’s why I cite The Bible, cause how else am I supposed to know? It’s not like there’s other books out there that extensively talk about Jesus’s life as much as The Bible does, at least not one that anyone can agree on. > [@Soul](#): > > That is a false fact. Maria Valtorta’s writings _do have_ imprimaturs, and that’s why they’ve been published, and in multiple languages. Why did you not thoroughly research Maria Valtorta if you care about seeking the truth? ![Screenshot 2026-01-08 060133](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/catholic365/optimized/1X/16040778f4608078b5e168e05b3eeaf7da0b48ef_2_690x29.png) This is the website I went on to find the Church’s official stance regarding Maria Valtorta ![Screenshot 2026-01-08 060258](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/catholic365/original/1X/7906418d2384f7deb117684c693776667ebf3771.png) This is what the official Vatican website says in regards to Maria Valtorta. I apologize, you are correct, it is not that Maria Valtorta doesn’t have an impimaturs, but they clearly say her writings should not be regarded as having supernatural origin. But, it’s funny cause they then state that it should be regarded as a literary form that the author used to narrate the life of Jesus Christ in her own way. Well, no offense but anyone can narrate Jesus’s life in their own way. Why is it she’s some special exception? Why did I not research her yet? Well, right now I’m in the middle of researching something else. As soon as I get done with what it is I’m doing, I will then do research on Maria Valtorta, but as of now, I’m busy. Rest assured, I’ll do my research when I get time. > [@Soul](#): > > That is not what I’m saying. One would be foolish to deny that Scripture is not a source of everything there is to know, and regarding Jesus specifically, in it we read from the apostle, John, that not even everything regarding Jesus was written ([Jn. 21:25](https://www.greekbible.com/john/21/25)). Therefore, any or all information not found in Scripture will be revealed by God in other ways whenever, however, to whomever He wills. This doesn’t mean that Scripture is no longer Scripture, nor less important. And, _Jesus Himself_ having chosen to, for example, reveal those truthful details about _His own life_ not mentioned in Scripture wasn’t adding falsehoods to _His own Gospel_, and He chose to use Maria Valtorta, one of His numerous instruments, as His “pen” to accomplish that, for the reasons that He gave. I have yet to research her, so for now, on this particular issue of Maria Valtorta, my stance is neutral. I do not know enough about this woman to make any actual determination, at least not yet. > [@Soul](#): > > Which part(s) in the Evangelist accounts regarding Lazarus does Maria Valtorta’s account supposedly conflict with and how? Man, when I typed up my response to this, it’s riddled with errors. I think when I typed this up I was like half-awake. But you’re right, there’s nothing conflicting, but I still stand behind what I said before which was Jesus said nothing to Lazarus when he was resurrected because Lazarus more than likely didn’t see Simon’s Father in Sheol which is why, more than likely, Lazarus didn’t mention anything. Again, if Jesus mentioned it, it would appear in The Bible, seeing as though that’s the only account of Jesus’s life that we have that most people say is true. I believe The Bible to be true, but not the current one. However, again, The Bible is the only thing I have to go off of right now, so it’s all I have to compare what she said to what was said back then. > [@Soul](#): > > There is no unanimous agreement among the leaders in the Catholic Church that Maria Valtorta’s writings don’t have or have a supernatural origin. Any Catholics and non-Catholics, lay faithful and leaders alike, who currently don’t believe that Maria Valtorta’s writings have a supernatural origin, I say, among numerous others, are wrong in that belief, because of the proof in support of her writings having a supernatural origin. Well…I still have yet to do research on her, so from now my thoughts on her are neutral. > [@Soul](#): > > False. You do have ways of knowing what comes from God and what comes Satan, because Jesus said, “a good tree cannot produce evil fruit"; “an evil tree cannot produce good fruits”;"you shall know them by their fruits”, which means a good tree can only produce good fruit, and an evil tree can only produce evil fruit. Good fruit can only and will always be produced by God, such as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, and self-control. Everything proceeding from Satan and his servants, even if they appear to say good words, is always contaminated with error in a subtle manner. > > Satan can deceive into eating evil fruit the sinners dazed by sin, the thoughtless and unreflecting, the curious who out of excessive desire for knowledge, imprudently approach all founts. But he cannot deceive an upright spirit united to God. All he can do is disturb it, drawing near to it, or wounding it by his own action, or by that of unfortunates who, rarely realizing that they are doing so, much more readily unaware of doing so, at a given moment are instruments used by Satan to cause God’s instruments pain and dismay. But then God intervenes and draws you away, into the clear, and saves you, bathing you in His ocean of peace and love. I have yet to do research on this Maria Valtorta so for right now my stance on what it is she says is neutral. ---
**Author:** ![EarthsStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@EarthsStudent](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/EarthsStudent)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 2:11pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/another-question-to-add-to-my-list-of-questions/3000/18 "2026-01-08T14:11:52Z")
Nevermind, I’m doing my research on Maria Valtorta right now. So far, I still do not know what to make of this woman, but, I will say this. Apparently some of her writings incorporate material from the Apocrypha, and as someone who is a purist and believes that everything should only be translated once and not constantly retranslated (like The Bible), personally this gives this Maria Valtorta more credit than what The Vatican has to say. Yes, the Vatican states that Maria Valtorta’s writings are not of supernatural origin, and usually I can agree on what the Vatican has to say in regards to these apparitions, just because anyone can claim to have seen Jesus, Mary, Angels, and anyone else that is known in The Bible. However, I am a big believer that the current Bible in circulation is only a mere fraction of the truth, and that, the books that were taken out or some that were never even put in The Bible to begin with, paint a more broader picture of what is going on. Like, for example, in the Old Testament, God says “…For I am a jealous God”, and for the longest time I always laughed at that phrase. A jealous God eh? And what has a God who can literally do anything they want at any given moment, what does this Almighty and powerful God have to be jealous of? And it’s only when I read more of these books that were taken out of The Bible is when that question was finally cleared up for me. And yes, I know I said before that I do not go by what The Bible says, but the more I read the books that were taken out of The Bible (and the other books that never made it), the more I am convinced that it’s possible that the entire Bible (which if it was to be assembled, would be 777 books) holds the real truth behind God and Jesus’s story. But again…these people in power would never give an average Joe like me access to the Vatican Secret Archives, so for now my opinion on The Bible remains as inconclusive. Doesn’t mean I won’t stop studying it though…. So, so far, this Maria Valtorta sounds pretty cool. Maybe what I should’ve said was, I don’t believe in the current Bible, cause these other books that were taken out answers some of the nuances of the current Bible. ---
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> [@Soul](#): > > he Dicastery of the Faith did say that Maria Valtorta’s writings cannot be regarded as having a supernatural origin, but they didn’t say _why_, nor did they acknowledge if they first reviewed the proof in support of her writings having a supernatural origin. My response to the DDF’s decision mirrors that of those given by the [Maria Valtorta’s Readers’ Group](https://www.valtorta.com.au/), as expressed in the following article: [Response to the Vatican’s 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta](https://www.valtorta.com.au/maria-valtorta-vatican-2025-response-summary.html). See excerpts below. Well, in your defense, I just did a brief search, I never actually went into the reasons why. So I agree with you there, if you’re going to make a statement, you should at least explain why instead of just saying “Well she’s just putting the life of Jesus Christ in her own words.” And I went back and tried to do a search on why, but I’m only given what the Dicastry for the Doctrine of the Faith said. So, I apologize….again, I did a brief search, little did I know that they don’t actually go into detail as to why. I thought that was just a shortened version of why they came out with that decision. This is why I refuse to trust any of those people in the Hierarchy, they might not all be crooked, but some of the stuff they pull is crazy. I mean really, you’re going to put out a Press Release that’s super brief and ambiguous as can be, without actually going into detail on why you made the decision you made? What a joke these people are. And what’s funny is that, they honestly think we’re so stupid that we can’t figure out this stuff on our own? I mean really, you’ve gotta question these people, cause it’s like they could care less about their own people. What clowns. > [@Soul](#): > > > The February 22, 2025, press release from the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) regarding Maria Valtorta’s writings is not part of the Ordinary Magisterium. It is a disciplinary clarification, not a formal teaching on faith or morals. It does not carry the authoritative weight of magisterial documents like encyclicals or catechetical texts. It’s fallible, and we hold that the DDF’s statement that Maria Valtorta’s work “cannot be considered of supernatural origin” is not only incorrect, but also absurd, given the overwhelming evidence of its supernatural nature. We place this erroneous judgment by the DDF in the same category as other historical mistakes made by this office: > > > > • The erroneous declaration that Saint Padre Pio’s stigmata was “not of supernatural origin,” along with the multiple censures of him. > > > > • The initial placement of St. Faustina Kowalska’s writings on the _Index of Forbidden Books_ by the Holy Office, a decision later reversed with her canonization > > > > .• The condemnation of the works of St. Thomas Aquinas on January 18, 1277, which was eventually annulled. > > > > • Venerable Mary of Agreda’s _Mystical City of God_, which was examined for fourteen years, placed on the _Index of Forbidden Books_ for three months, then vindicated by Pope Clement XI, who issued two decrees strictly prohibiting its future inclusion on the _Index_. In the past century, two Popes affirmed her work, even extending Apostolic Blessings to its readers and promoters—an action far removed from the earlier judgment of the Hierarchy, which had placed it on the _Index_. > > > > • During the pontificate of Pope Leo XIII, the Index of Forbidden Books was revised, and approximately one thousand books were removed, highlighting the fluidity of some of these judgments. > > > Therefore, the Maria Valtorta Readers’ Group: > > > > 1. Personally believes in the supernatural origin of Maria Valtorta’s writings. > > 2. Affirms the right of other Catholics to personally believe in the supernatural origin of her writings. > > 3. Publicly acknowledges the DDF statement which says they do not consider it supernatural in origin, though we respectfully disagree with it, considering it an error. > > > > While we disagree with the DDF’s conclusion, we still adhere to the discipline of not presenting Valtorta’s writings as if they have received approval by the Vatican as coming from a supernatural source. Where some may disagree with us is in whether we can disagree with the factual accuracy of the DDF statement. We maintain that well-informed Catholics, understanding that not all statements from the DDF are infallible, may rightfully doubt certain conclusions. If informed Catholics can present credible evidence that a statement is erroneous, they are not committing a sin by rejecting it. We do not reject the authority of the DDF, but rather we challenge the validity of the specific conclusion in this case, considering it to be an erroneous judgment. > > > > 1. There is compelling evidence that Maria Valtorta’s work is far more than just a novel. This evidence spans across theological, spiritual, literary, and scientific fields, as well as the immense good it has brought to countless souls. When examined with honesty, it becomes clear that the work cannot simply be attributed to the literary imaginings of a human being, particularly considering the breadth of expertise Valtorta lacked and her severely compromised physical condition at the time of writing. For further details, please refer to the following sub-chapters in our free [e-book](http://www.valtorta.com.au/Defence/Maria%20Valtorta%20Summa%20%26%20Encyclopedia.pdf) (_[A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work](http://www.valtorta.com.au/Defence/Maria%20Valtorta%20Summa%20%26%20Encyclopedia.pdf)_), which provide information on scientific evidence supporting Maria Valtorta’s claim of supernatural inspiration: > > > > • Proof by Astronomy (Such as Detailed Astronomic Observations Over the Course of Hundreds of Pages in Her 1940s Visions that a Purdue University Professor of Theoretical Physics Testified Are Remarkably Consistent with Her Dating System and that She Could Not Have Predicted or Verified Without a Computer) > > > > • Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology (Including Her Describing Palestine and Over 350 Geographical Locations in the Holy Land with a Level of Precision in Multiple Fields that She Could Not Possibly Have Known Without Modern Electronic Scholastic Resources or Access to an Extensive Collection of Books/Atlases in the 1940s that Eyewitnesses and Common Sense Confirm She Did Not—Nor Could Have Had—Access to and Which Itself Arguably Would Have Been Insufficient to Complete Her Work) > > > > • Proof by its Knowledge, Depth, and Eminence in the Theological, Exegetical, Mystical, and Mariological Fields (Which Many World-Renowned Trustworthy Theologians Say Exceed Anything They Have Ever Read) > > > > • Proof by Her Detailed, Exact, and Often Unparalleled Knowledge of the Political, Religious, Economic, Social, and Familial Situation—as Well as the Dress—of the Ancient Jewish, Samaritan, and Roman Peoples that Astound Even World-Renowned Biblical Scholars > > > > • Proof by The Poem’s Unquestionable Expertise, Deep Knowledge, and Exhaustive Information in Such a Wide Variety of Theological and Scientific Subjects, and the Fact Almost 15,000 Handwritten Pages of Such Was Written in Only 3½ Years Amidst Her Unusually Severe Physical Condition and Illnesses and Even Though She Lacked the Learning, Resources, and Books Required to Write a Work a Tenth as Profound as This > > > > • Proof by the Extraordinary, Unprecedented Way in Which it Was Written, Compiled, & Put Together (Such as the Fact that 166 Out of the 647 Chapters Were Written Out of Order, and She has Jesus Ministering in Over 350 Named Locations and Traveling Over 4,000 Miles in Six Different Cycles Across Palestine, and Yet Jesus and All of the Other 500+ Characters are Never in a Place Inconsistent with Either the Story Line or the Timing and Distance Necessities Required for Traveling, and There is Not One Person, Place, or Thing Out of Place) > > > > • Proof By the Writing’s Extraordinary Purity, Holiness, Loftiness, and Eminence Among the Writings that Exist in the World > > > > • Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by Research that Shows that The Poem is Not Based on (or a Mere Expansion of) any Known Gospel Manuscript Standard, Version, or School of Critical Thought, Something Expected if a Work of This Magnitude, Detail, and Accuracy Had Been a Mere Human Effort > > > > • Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) in How The Poem Resolves Many Problems in the Gospel Accounts Which Scholars Have Struggled with For Years (Including Apparent Contradictions Between the Different Gospel Accounts and Apparent Errors or Inconsistencies Within the Same Gospel Account), and How It Furthermore Corrects Certain Misunderstandings and Translation Errors that Have Been Perpetuated Throughout the Centuries > > > > • Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by the Fact Maria Valtorta’s Visions of Christ’s Passion Perfectly Match Detailed Findings on the Miraculous Shroud of Turin that Recent Modern Scientific Tests Have Revealed Decades After Her Writings Were Published and the Fact Her Writings Foretold Something Amazing About the Veil of Veronica Which Has Been Scientifically Proven for the First Time Decades After Her Death > > > > • Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by its Perfect Correspondence to the Ancient Liturgical and Patristic Tradition of the Ancient Catholic Byzantine Rite of the Church > > > > • Proof by the Testimony of Countless Trustworthy Clerics, Authorities, Experts, Scientists, and Pious Lay Faithful and the Tremendously Good Fruits Produced in Individuals and in the Church as a Whole Ok, so before I say what I’m about to say, there’s something we have to keep in mind. So, I am new to this Maria Valtorta…so when I do research on anything new, I read what one side says, and I read what the other side says. I do this, because I don’t know who this person is, at all. And, of course, in this case I’ve got to be careful because of bias, and I don’t just mean your side but the other side as well. I tried accessing EBSCO host, which is a database of literature provided by my local library for free. So I typed in just her name, Maria Valtorta (and yes, this is a database I trust for the most part. Obviously I make sure to read the sources they listed in their “Works Cited” section, because that helps me determine if the information being presented to me is indeed true or not. But, I have found this database to be pretty good, but just like everything else in this flawed system we live in, they like to skew numbers and all sorts of stuff. So, I keep that in mind too when I do searches into this database), and nothing populates. It said “Nothing found.” Now keep in mind that this search covers a variety of fields such as Subject, Book Title, Category, etc… In other words, when I type in Maria Valtorta. EBSCO scans all of the above fields I mentioned and is looking for any books that mention, have as a title, have as a subject, etc… the words Maria Valtorta. In other words, there’s no books or mention in any of the books that is in EBSCO that has those words. That’s not a bad thing, and we already know she wrote Poem of the Man God, all it’s saying is according to our database, we have nothing on her. So this means that I can only really do internet searches, which is fine. I like to say I’m usually pretty good at spotting something that doesn’t sound right or sounds off. So, because you gave me reasons as to why she’s a credible source, I went online to look at reasons why she wouldn’t be a credible source. Just because ambiguous Vatican doesn’t go into detail on why they think it is not of supernatural origin, doesn’t mean you can’t find someone who is willing to list why the Vatican finds it to not be of supernatural origin. And of course, you have to be careful because again…people like to skew things. So, I found this reputable website called The Catholic World Report, and they had an article about Maria Valtorta and about her writings and basically criticized what Maria Valtorta wrote. If what they say is true, and they’re not exaggerating or taking things out of context, it would seem that they wrote a pretty good case against Maria Valtorta. But…because I have not read Poem of the Man-God myself, nor have I read any of her other stuff, I can’t say this person is right. All I’m saying is, if what they say is actually correct, then they make a good case for the opposite side, but that’s only if they’re correct. And after looking at what you have quoted, I would say you’d have a pretty good case for Maria Valtorta’s writings being of supernatural origin. What I will say is, this article I read was pretty good. I mean, they actually go in depth and in detail about what she said as opposed to what they think should be the truth, and whomever wrote this piece sounded like she was pretty educated or at least well-informed about the subject matter. Like if I’m comparing what you say to what this Sandra Miesel said, Sandra Miesel actually listed examples from the text and showed why these specific examples are wrong. Again, I’m just giving you an honest viewpoint from someone who has never read any of Maria Valtorta’s writings. But again, I want to emphasize that I cannot have an informed opinion on this without reading “Poem of the Man-God” myself. So, till I actually read her writings, I won’t comment about it, just because it would be intellectually dishonest. (Here’s the article: [https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/09/14/a-monument-to-pseudo-religiosity-a-case-against-the-poem-of-the-man-god/](https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/09/14/a-monument-to-pseudo-religiosity-a-case-against-the-poem-of-the-man-god/) ) > [@Soul](#): > > The DDF didn’t say that, but rather justified their position on Maria Valtorta saying, “in its long tradition, the Church does not accept as normative the Apocryphal Gospels and other similar texts since it does not recognize them as divinely inspired.” So, it seems as though the DDF is saying that since they consider Maria Valtorta’s writings apocryphal, the reason they say they can’t be regarded as having a supernatural origin is because that is their default position regarding anything apocryphal? I could be wrong, but the point is, her writings aren’t apocryphal, there is proof in support of her writings having a supernatural origin, and they should investigate them. Oh, sorry if that sounded like I was dismissing her. To me it’s a good thing she incorporates some of the Apocrypha stuff, because again, I find the books that were left out of The Bible really good and more people should read them I think. So far those books give answers that the current Bible can’t. So I mean’t that as a good thing Soul! No, as far as I’m concerned the DDF is just being predictably ambiguous, as is custom LOL! No, I mean’t it as a good thing, I promise. > [@Soul](#): > > Indeed. Her autobiography is well worth the read, and the most inexpensive copies you can purchase right now are on eBay and thriftbooks. The following copy is selling for $10.95 before tax, free shipping: [Autobiography | eBay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/205807202942?_skw=maria+valtorta+autobiography&itmmeta=01KEF1HK2VGPYXK8DQ986C2NPZ&hash=item2feb10b27e:g:MqkAAeSwk-FpXrKg&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAABAFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1cSypPSqRNO7oUGVzFgPvpW%2B1TZZQRXwAyO%2BjXyj1ozHqEOVxwzY5fIKGn5jRBjuE893BUwBAysWTyeBwYOZBO3iabwSxRv0vOka32z28Ui78TelVAIodp9VLHsxmD4XHdL3lXgJRYxOMMauw9%2FtjnEg9FyzsRpb7n0x3QVqeWdg7SVjfpQHX4SKxD9daD5Z%2FfCEjf4nwDICGbd%2BfHt9B%2B4BICDp8rhXg4JaHRqsaopESionnG%2FNfI%2FCw5Ql7t1r7PuICJ7VSdOM4k5k990qK%2FxaXQgowGdob5T8A192gW1o1AA5G61PyKK5Gai%2FnGgXA0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBM0LHG4fNm). I would most definitely like to read her Autobiography. Unfortunately I might have to wait to get paid to read that book, but yes, it would help me out tremendously. > [@Soul](#): > > Why do you think it’s a pretty significant detail? And, whether it is or not, are the details surrounding the, for example, birth of Jesus, significant? If so, does the fact that a lot of true information surrounding it not being mentioned in Scripture make that information false? Well, now that I re-read what Jesus said to Simon, I see your point. Lemme put it to you this way, it’s very possible that he could’ve said something like that. The reason why I said what I said, that Jesus never spoke to Simon about Lazarus encountering Simon’s Father in Sheol, is because I’m giving Bible Jesus benefit of a doubt. I just think that if Jesus really said that to Simon, that they’d have it in The Bible too. Cause, going with what Catholics believe, Catholic’s believe that Jesus is God as well, so it would make sense to me that since God is all-knowing, that would make Jesus all-knowing, and he didn’t say anything because He already knew that. I hope you’re not upset at me…I’m just being as blatantly honest with you as I can. Ok…so what I’m gonna do is hold off on reading her Autobiography till payday (which is tomorrow) and I will buy her Autobiography and read it. In the meantime, I think I’m going to start reading “The Poem of the Man-God.” Not going to lie, I’m kind of excited to read this. ---
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Yes, I’m reading it right now. It’s a good read so far. It’s slow, but I’m only into like….the 3rd Chapter, so not deep into it yet. Today must be a God-given day, cause I have $103 on a Visa Gift card. I might use it to buy the autobiography of Maria Valtorta, not sure what I want to do yet. I really would like to use it on this one website, which would be awesome if I can. But yeah, so far it’s an excellent read! Quick Note: The only reason why I chose The Catholic World Report is because, if I was a Catholic and wanted to get news on not just global Catholic News but also news from regarding The Vatican, that would be what I would use. It seems like it would be a valid news source, which it might be, but as far as Maria Valtorta, still not 100% completely sure. But like I said, I will read it for myself and decide for myself what she’s saying, cause sometimes these authors can be funny about stuff like this, plus it’s just honest if I’m reading it myself instead of just taking some random person’s word too. ---
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Of course! I’m kind of excited! ---
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> [@EarthsStudent](#): > > I mean really, you’re going to put out a Press Release that’s super brief and ambiguous as can be, without actually going into detail on why you made the decision you made? Precisely! And, think of the _countless_ people, let alone Catholic lay faithful, who read that press release. Many would read it and either automatically take their word for it, rather than investigate Maria Valtorta on their own, or stop reading her writings if they already were. I personally met people online who didn’t bother to investigate Maria Valtorta after reading the press release, and I came across a post by someone who read the press release and said they stopped reading Maria’s writings afterward. But, as frustrating and saddening as it is, I cannot let the press release by the Dicastery of the Faith disturb my peace, and pray that they and others will recognize the Work for what it truly is. > [@EarthsStudent](#): > > Like if I’m comparing what you say to what this Sandra Miesel said, Sandra Miesel actually listed examples from the text and showed why these specific examples are wrong. I’ll start by addressing a few of the [claims](https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/09/14/a-monument-to-pseudo-religiosity-a-case-against-the-poem-of-the-man-god/) by Sandra Miesel in her article in The Catholic World Report below. - Miesel said the following: > _The Poem_ titillates with several invented subplots of ‘delicate’ maidens barely escaping the Fate Worse Than Death and guilt-ridden harlots’ descents into utter degradation. In one especially tasteless moment, Herod tries to tempt captive Jesus with his lascivious African dancing girls who "touch Christ lightly with their nude bodies. (V: p. 562) So, all we have from Miesel is her baseless assertion of “several invented subplots of ‘delicate’ maidens barely escaping the fate worse than death and guilt-ridden harlots”, and her _one_ example which was a _partial_ quote from a scene in Maria Valtorta’s writings, because if she had quoted it in full, it wouldn’t have given the false impression that she wanted. See excerpt below: > They untie His hands. And while a large number of servants bring amphorae and cups, some dancers come in…covered with nothing: a many-coloured linen fringe is the only garment girding their thin waists and hips. Nothing else. As they are Africans they are of bronze complexion and are as agile as young gazelles, and they begin a silent lascivious dance. > > Jesus refuses the cups and closes His eyes without speaking. Herod’s courtiers laugh at His disdain. > > «Take the woman You wish. Live! Learn how to live! …» suggests Herod. > > Jesus seems a statue. With folded arms, closed eyes, He does not stir even when the lewd dancers touch Him lightly with their nude bodies. > > «Enough. I treated You as God, and You did not act as God. I treated You as a man, and you have not acted as a man. You are mad. A white garment. Clothe Him with it so that Pontius Pilate may know that the Tetrarch took his subject to be mad. Centurion, please tell the Proconsul that Herod humbly presents his respect to him and venerates Rome. Go.» > > And Jesus, tied once again, goes out, with a linen tunic reaching down to His knees, on top of His red woollen garment. > > And they go back to Pilate. (_[The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 5](https://archive.org/details/Volume1OfThePoemOfTheManGod/Volume%205%20of%20The%20Poem%20of%20The%20Man-God/page/n283/mode/2up)_ ) - Miesel accused Maria Valtorta of writing homoerotica saying, “vaguely homoerotic flavor of Christ’s frequent kisses, cuddles, and caresses of his disciples”. So, according to Miesel’s logic, for example, when her mom gave her kisses, cuddles, and caresses, she was displaying homoeroticism… 🙄. This is a non-argument by Miesel and can be safely ignored. - Miesel said the following: > Despite claiming a purely celestial origin, the _Poem_ somehow incorporates legendary material from the Apocrypha (ex." The Acts of St. Paul and Thecla), _The Golden Legend_, _The Meditations_ of Pseudo-Bonaventure, the revelations of St. Birgitta, […] She didn’t present any examples for this in her [article](https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/09/14/a-monument-to-pseudo-religiosity-a-case-against-the-poem-of-the-man-god/), and therefore what good are those claims? - Miesel said the following: > (Is she borrowing from _Carmen_ when Mary Magdalen tries to attract Jesus’ notice by throwing a rose at him?) In Bizet’s opera _Carmen_, Carmen throws a red carnation at the soldier Don José in Act I to seduce him and convince him to let her escape after she is arrested for a fight. _The Poem of the Man-God_ consists of visions of scenes from Jesus’s life on earth that Maria Valtorta received and described in-depth. The vision that Miesel is referring to is ch. 98 in _The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 1_ titled [Jesus on the Lake of Tiberias. Lesson to His Disciples near the Same Town](https://archive.org/details/Volume1OfThePoemOfTheManGod/Volume%201%20of%20The%20Poem%20of%20The%20Man-God/page/n307/mode/2up). Below is an excerpt: > A few small leisure boats, almost the size of a shallop, but fitted with purple canopies and soft cushions, cut across the course of the fishermen’s boats. Shouts, bursts of laughter and the smell of perfumes go by with them. > > They are full of beautiful women, many merry Romans, some Palestinians and a few Greeks. This I gather so from the words of a thin slender young man, as brown as an almost ripe olive, smartly dressed in a short red tunic, bordered by a heavy Greek fret and held tight at his waist by a belt, which is the masterpiece of a goldsmith. He says: « Hellas is beautiful! But not even my Olympic fatherland has this blue and these flowers. It is really not surprising that the goddesses left it to come here. Let us spread flowers, roses and our compliments to the goddesses, no longer Greek but Judaean…» And he spreads on the women in his boat the petals of magnificent roses and he throws some into a nearby boat. > > A Roman replies to him: « Spread them, spread them, Greek! But Venus is with me. I do not spread roses, I pick them from this beautiful mouth. It is sweeter! » And he bends down to kiss the open smiling lips of Mary of Magdala, who is leaning on cushions with her blond head in the lap of the Roman. In summary, a Greek man (_not Mary Magdalene_), threw roses on the women in his boat and in another nearby boat of his party (_not at Jesus to attract His notice_ ). Therefore, either Miesel deliberately lied about what Maria Valtorta wrote—especially considering that she didn’t cite the volume and chapter of this scene which she was referring to in her [article](https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/09/14/a-monument-to-pseudo-religiosity-a-case-against-the-poem-of-the-man-god/)—or she has severe poor reading comprehension. - Miesel said the following: > Valtorta repeatedly compares Jews unfavorably with Romans: “Hebrew wombs conceive vile perjurers. Roman wombs conceive nothing but heroes.” (V: p. 790) The vision that Miesel is referring to is ch. 627 in _The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 5_ titled [The Apostles Go along the Way of the Cross](https://archive.org/details/Volume1OfThePoemOfTheManGod/Volume%205%20of%20The%20Poem%20of%20The%20Man-God/page/n393/mode/2up). Below is an excerpt: > A group of legionaries, on their way to a nearby inn, meets them, and one watches them and points them out to the others. And they all laugh. And when the poor ill-treated disciples are compelled to pass before them, one of the soldiers leaning against the door addresses them: «Hey! Calvary did not stone you and men have struck you? By Jove! I thought you were more courageous! And that you were not afraid of anything, since you had the courage to climb up there. Have the stones of the mountain not reproached you for being cowardly? And were you so daring as to go up there? I have always seen guilty people run away from the places that reminded them of their sin. Nemesis pursues them. Perhaps she dragged you up there to make you tremble with horror today, since you did not tremble with pity, then.» > > A woman, probably the mistress of the tavern, comes to the door and laughs. She has the frightening face of a rascal and she shouts in a shrill voice: «Hebrew women, look at what your wombs produce! Vile perjurers, who come out of their dens when the danger is over! Roman wombs conceive nothing but heroes. Come and drink to the greatness of Rome. Choice wines and beautiful girls.. .» and she goes away, followed by the soldiers, into her dark cave. > > A Hebrew woman looks at them—there are some women in the street with amphorae, where one can hear the fountain gurgle near the house of the Supper room—and she takes pity on them. She is an elderly woman. She says to her companions: «They made a mistake… but a whole people did wrong.» She approaches the apostles and greets them: «Peace to you. We do not forget… Tell us only this. Has the Master really risen from the dead?» > > «He has risen. We swear to it.» > > «Then, be not afraid. He is God, and God will triumph. Peace to you, brothers. And tell the Lord to forgive this people. » > > «And we ask you to pray that the people may forgive us and forget the scandal we have given. Women, I, Simon Peter, ask you to forgive me.» And Peter weeps… > > « We are mothers and sisters and wives, man. And your sin is that of our sons, brothers and husbands. May the Lord have mercy on everybody. » In summary, Maria Valtorta was quoting the words of a woman she saw and heard speaking to a group of Hebrew women and Roman legionaries when she wrote the following: > A woman, probably the mistress of the tavern, comes to the door and laughs. She has the frightening face of a rascal, and she shouts in a shrill voice: ‘Hebrew women, look at what your wombs produce! Vile perjurers, who come out of their dens when the danger is over! Roman wombs conceive nothing but heroes. Come and drink to the greatness of Rome. Choice wines and beautiful girls…’ and she goes away, followed by the soldiers, into her dark cave. Miesel slyly claimed that “Valtorta repeatedly compares Jews unfavorably with Romans”, followed by giving an example, which was her own alteration of the quote above, in order to make it sound as if it was Maria’s own personal opinion: “‘Hebrew wombs conceive vile perjurers. Roman wombs conceive nothing but heroes’ (V: p. 790).” These are just a few examples of grade A deceptiveness by Miesel about Maria Valtorta, but her claims are easily exposed to be just that, if one has read _The Poem of the Man-God_ and is an honest, objective investigator. I’m going to finish addressing every claim in Miesel’s article and send it to either her directly or The Catholic World Report where her article was published.